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Why does everybody say anime shows Goku SSJ3 >> Mystic Gohan?
Topic Started: Jun 7 2012, 05:32 AM (1,282 Views)
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So I've read a few healthy debates lately, and in those I've seen stated that in the anime, Goku SSJ3 >> Mystic Gohan.

Since I am only well knowledgable in the anime, and not manga, I think I can be fair to say I don't see what people mean! I think the anime shows Mystic Gohan >> SSJ3 Goku, in fact I see it capitlizing on it.

I've never quite understood where people see the anime showing SSJ3 Goku >> Mystic Gohan, can someone tell me?

If you mention where Goku instant transmissed into the fight with Gotenks Buu and Gohan, I didn't see Goku anywhere near to Buutenks as a SSJ3. Sure he got a hit it, but really, what does that mean? Nothing!

Any thoughts guys?
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If you watched the fight pal, you should've noticed that by now.

I mean, SSJ3 Goku was to Mystic Gohan as ant : lion.

Gohan would stomp Goku anyday.

Yet, Goku put up somewhat a decent fight which is impposible given Buutenks could've flick Son's head off just by his breath..

Besides, SSJ Goku>Mystic Gohan was shown in anime filler. Its simply shows SSJ3 Goku's standard.

Next, Goku also mentions on Kid Boo bein the strongest Boo in anime dub. Any more doubts?
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Jun 7 2012, 06:31 AM
If you watched the fight pal, you should've noticed that by now.

I mean, SSJ3 Goku was to Mystic Gohan as ant : lion.

Gohan would stomp Goku anyday.

Yet, Goku put up somewhat a decent fight which is impposible given Buutenks could've flick Son's head off just by his breath..

Besides, SSJ Goku>Mystic Gohan was shown in anime filler. Its simply shows SSJ3 Goku's standard.

Next, Goku also mentions on Kid Boo bein the strongest Boo in anime dub. Any more doubts?
See, there are too many implications to just jump on those conclusions do quickly.

It was obvious to me, my first time watching dbz, that Gotenks Buu was off guard and non shalent about fighting Goku.

Inside of Buu, I thought it was obvious and implied that Gohan wasn't at full power, being the fact it wasn't Gohan it was Buu's thoughts.

And by strongest I interpret that as most ruthless. I did before I even thought who was stronger.
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Thala na Gethu!

As you wish pal.

You may interpret or analyze the way you want, but when somethin is shown explicitly, I dont think you could imply any other way...
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Jun 7 2012, 06:50 AM
As you wish pal.

You may interpret or analyze the way you want, but when somethin is shown explicitly, I dont think you could imply any other way...
In reference to Gohan vs Goku inside of buu, it was obviously stated by kaioshin that those were just buu's thoughts. Not actually Gohan.

The others I guess are more or less my interpretations. But that I think should be less my opinion and more an obvious statement... No?
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Thala na Gethu!

Buu's thoughts?

I dont remember Buu of underratin Gohan by that much in his memories to the point that his thoughts persists in his minds as inferior to even SSJ Goku. Thats BS.

By the way, I'm done here. I have some important issues to be settled...
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Jun 7 2012, 06:57 AM
Buu's thoughts?

I dont remember Buu of underratin Gohan by that much in his memories to the point that his thoughts persists in his minds as inferior to even SSJ Goku. Thats BS.

By the way, I'm done here. I have some important issues to be settled...
Your done here?
I didn't realize I was stepping on the debate floor. I thought I was more of a discussion and questions.

Now as to your statement,

It's still the fact that he was a thought, and was only as strong as Buu concentration, thus why he turned into candy. Impying even more heavily of Gohan just being a weak thought.
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Gohana and Gotenks we're thought forms that couldn't be killed but were also said to be as strong as the real counterparts Buu faced. Goku and Vegeta were just better
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Meh. I still sit on the fence on this one. Apparently in the Japanese anime they state that the Gohan in Buu is just as strong as Mystic Gohan (in the dub I watched he just says "hits like" which is meaningless).

However SSJ3 Gotenks gets nailed by a special beam cannon from Piccolo. So unless you have them close in power that sequence just doesn't make sense.
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By Anime Goku > Everything. Period.

By manga only Gohan > all unfused characters

Long story short, Toei made goku the savior of the universe to make more money. Gohan gets stomped in anime continuity

In manga continuity, Gohan stomps all except SSj Vegito (There's debate if Gohan could beat Buutenks too.)
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Jun 7 2012, 07:58 AM
Meh. I still sit on the fence on this one. Apparently in the Japanese anime they state that the Gohan in Buu is just as strong as Mystic Gohan (in the dub I watched he just says "hits like" which is meaningless).

However SSJ3 Gotenks gets nailed by a special beam cannon from Piccolo. So unless you have them close in power that sequence just doesn't make sense.
It's a drill in the back. Gotenks wasn't protecting himself so of course that is instant kill, like taking a Duestructo Disc. I know Cell tanked one in the anime and Gohan caught them but it doesn't change the reaction from Vegeta and Trunka that they both thought you couldn't touch them period either because it would decapitate you despite the gap between Krillin and Cell as well as Cell and Gohan
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Two reasons:
1) SSj Goku beat Ultimate Gohan inside Buu, and it was stated the copies have the same powers as the original in the Japanese dub and Daiz
2) Kid Buu is stated to be the strongest Buu and Goku fought on par with him.
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Jun 7 2012, 12:04 PM
Two reasons:
1) SSj Goku beat Ultimate Gohan inside Buu, and it was stated the copies have the same powers as the original in the Japanese dub and Daiz
2) Kid Buu is stated to be the strongest Buu and Goku fought on par with him.
Pretty much this:

Anime wise:
FPSSJ3 Goku >= Kid Buu >= Base Vegetto ~ Boohan > SSJ3 Goku ~ Bootenks >> SSJ2 Goku > SSJ1 Goku >> Chou Gohan >> SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu >>>> FP Base Goku >>>> SSJ3 Goku @Fat Boo, imo
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Because a lot of people think that the two people who are at the end of the saga are automatically the strongest.... even though there is no logical reason for that to have to happen in tv, movies, or real life for that matter
We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.
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